Hi,
my friend Cem is searching the reply of following question
kindly asking you to assist him. regards a.usta

" found ourselves debating about realism of push-rods over the last few days and just like any other subject in mrr we just had to agree to disagree.

On the other hand I really would like to know what you think ... maybe help me to get a different perspective.

Here are the photos of the pushrods we've been arguing about. My question is: which one would you take and why? Anything you have to say greatly appreciated:

Loco 1:



Loco 2:



Loco 1:



Loco 2:



Loco 1:



Loco 2:



Loco 1:



Loco 2:



Cem.

Zitat von abdusta

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My question is: which one would you take and why? Anything you have to say greatly appreciated

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Hello Mr. Usta,

first of all thanks for the higly detailed photographs. I must say I would prefer to aquire Loco-2 due to the darker metal surface. In fact Loco-1 looks much more detailed and much more authentic, but the color of the metal is to light from my humble point of view.

Just my 2cts, cheers

Diego

I would choose Loco 2. Just my personl non-expert opinion.

Cause of the browned metal part. Loco 2 is to much plastics.

Hi!

I think I've seen these pictures on a different forum today.

I think the result is predictable if you ask that question on a three-rail dominated forum.

My vote for #2 (despite it's flaws with respect to detailing).
#1 looks more realistic by shape (except for the "Schieberstange" (sliding-rod)), but the plastic look destroys the good impression.
The hinge on the sliding-rod looks oversized.

BTW: I've seen better plastic steerings than #1 from e. g. Roco.

I was impressed when I noticed (after several months) that the sliding-rod is really moving on Roco locos.
But at normal viewing distance it makes no difference for me whether the sliding-rod moves or not.

Zitat von H0

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I think I've seen these pictures on a different forum today.

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Hi Tom,

I'm sure you did

Usta and I were wondering what would be the response here as Stummi could be much more unbiased ... considering ...

All teh best,

Cem.

Zitat von knorrbremse

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much more unbiased

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This is the inofficial successor of the Märklin Insider Forum. Unbiased?

Ask that question on Drehscheibe Online to get a second opinion - that forum is biased against M*.

I never wheathered any of my locos.
The rods of #1 will probably look more realistic with a bit wheathering.

Zitat von H0

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Zitat von knorrbremse

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much more unbiased

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This is the inofficial successor of the Märklin Insider Forum. Unbiased?

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Oh my ...

I really didn't know that ops:

Maybe I should pop in Stummi more often then

Cem.

Hallo abdusta,

auf Deinen Bildausschnitten wirken die Gestänge und die Steuerung der Lok 1 wesentlich filigraner als bei der Lok 2.
Aber ich denke, es kommt auf das Gesamtbild der kompletten Lok an.

@H0
Hallo Thomas,

es ist das Stummi-Forum für jeden Modellbahnfreund und kein inoffizieller Nachfolger von Irgendetwas.

Unparteiisch? Ja klar, siehst Du doch schon an meiner Meinung.

Hi Abdusta and Cem,

I'm answering you as a heavy Märklin User. Loco No.2 looks better in the current condition, although we see the well known simplified and unrealistic Märklin rodding. Loco No.1 will look more realistic if you apply some weathering paintwork - and I'm sure you will.

For me as a simple user with no further detail and weathering ambitions, No.2 is fine, but as I remember your stunning loco alterations, you should go with No.1.

Kind regards

Johannes

Hi,

just a matter of taste.

I prefer No. 2. It does not only look like like metal, it is metal.

Despite this, the second example is very much more detailed, without any doubt. But I don't want to repair this one in 20 or 30 years, when all the flexibilzers have gone...

D.

Lieber Ralf!

Zitat von Stummilein

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@H0
Hallo Thomas,

es ist das Stummi-Forum für jeden Modellbahnfreund und kein inoffizieller Nachfolger von Irgendetwas.

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Ich hatte den Begriff "Ersatzforum" im Kopf.
Dieser Begriff ist aber inoffiziell und von Heini geprägt:
htopic,44,ersatzforum.html

Und wer schreibt da "Das neue MIF"? Thomas "MK" W.

Also widerrufe ich: dies ist kein MIF-Ersatz sondern ein x-beliebiges Modellbahnforum ...
... aber eines mit weniger Trollen als das MIF und eines ohnegleichen ...

I tend to agree with the comments made (outside of any political comments made ) that Lok 1 is more detailed but doesn't look as realistic as Lok 2. If I had to choose between the 2, I would take the second one purely because it looks to be of higher build quality. I also tend to go for the overall look of the Lok before considering more specific details, but all other things being considered equal for the purpose of this exercise then my decision is pretty clear.

Of course if I was a skilled weatherer of Loks (which I am definitely not!) I may well choose the first Lok and put great faith in my ability to make it look better. Knowing the limits of my abilities means it's not a consideration for me.

Hello everyone,

Thanks for your comments ... they all shed much needed light to the debate.

As most of you guessed the first loko have plastic rods, it is a Piko Br95. The second loco is a Märklin Br85.

All the best,

Cem.

Ich frach mich nur wie krieg ich denn die Haftreife bei Lok 1 gewechselt?

Cem,

I think that you should try to locate photos of similar models by Fleischmann, Roco and Brawa and post them alongside your models by Maerklin and Pico.

I don't collect or model steam engines as I am a child of the electric age. Still, I can appreciate a nice model. Based on my experience, I would have to say that it is up to the modeller to decide which models he likes best.

I have seen some very detailed Roco models that customers have turned down because the motor was in the coal tender rather than in the engine. I have seen Brawa and Piko improve from the models of the 1980s to what they are today.
Maerklin will always produce models that are excellent runners and guaranteed to operate in most hobby setups. Roco has set the standard for detailed plastic models and the rest of the companies are catching up.
If you are prepared to accept some compromises in the model, Maerklin probably delivers the models that function the best.
Before you compare to Piko, I would look to Roco or Brawa first.

Regards

Mike C

Zitat von g-tours

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Ich frach mich nur wie krieg ich denn die Haftreife bei Lok 1 gewechselt?

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Warscheinlich werden die Stangen nur reingesetzt, wie beim ÖBB Crokodil (1100)
MvG
Ole